You might wonder, "Why are you doing this, Nora?" Well, I think some of these accusations need to be answered, while some make a great thread all by themselves. Plus, it's fun to point out how silly other people sound.
I've already responded to some of these posts, so I'm mostly going to focus on the little ambush. Starting with "K," who wrote:
Nora, kiss my ass. The only reason you can “moonlight” is because you have the right blood. In a non-racist country, you would be as illegal as these two Canadians. Your argument rests on a belief in racial purity. That’s what this is about. You hate dumb-ass foreigners that come here and break laws? Korea has laws? Maybe you should tell that to Hyundai or Samsung or LG, all of whom regularly hire illegal teachers. Maybe you should tell that to Kim “I love Pyongyang” Dae Jung and his corrupt sons. Maybe you should tell that to the thousands of hagwon owners that hire illegals every day and don’t care about the quality of education provided as long as they have a white face in the classroom. Maybe you should tell that to the thousands of Koreans illegally crossing the border into the US right now. Maybe you should tell that to the adjoshis that kick the shit out of women just like you on the streets of Seoul every day. Koreans lecturing Canadians about law. Ha.
Actually, the fairness or unfairness of F-4 visas is a topic in and of itself, which I will address here. But none of my argument rests on me believing in "racial purity" or "having the right blood."
Let's put that red herring aside and focus on not holding the hagwon owners that hire illegals responsible: nothing could be further from the truth. I made that very clear in another post where I said the whole illegal problem and all the damage it has caused (especially to those teachers and hagwon owners who are trying to remain legit) is a three-way between unscrupulous hagwon owners, rule-breaking "teachers," and incompetent/clueless government officials.
In fact, our little company is trying to do something about this. We are setting up a "project" that will bring honest teachers and honest universities and institutes together, with the government helping out by putting teeth into the laws that are supposed to protect the foreign teachers.
As for former president Kim Daejung and his sons, or the Hyundai, LG, or Samsung people, that is so irrelevant as to be foolish to bring it up. Do the circumstances of Enron, Martha Stewart, Tom DeLay, Michael Jackson, or OJ Simpson justify wrongdoing in America? Do they make America a lawless country? Would I be right to bring those cases up if someone were to talk about illegal immigration in the US? Of course not. Again, it's a red herring by someone whose argument is all over the map.
Kromozone added:
If you rework all of her statements replacing “unqualified teachers” with “visaless Koreans in the US” and “teaching” with “operating dry cleaners” you can get a taste for how bad it really is!
I do think "K" and Kromozone may be on to something when they write about "the thousands of Koreans illegally crossing the border into the US right now." I'm not really sure it's "thousands" crossing right now, but there are a lot. I'm also not sure if the people working in the dry cleaners are often illegal.
Those who think I am a mindless cheerleader for Korea would be surprised to know that I am appalled that the number is so high. In fact, like the illegally working "teachers" in Korea, the illegally residing Koreans in America are making things worse for Koreans trying to fly right.
That's right. By opting to do things illegally, they make the entire community look like a bunch of lawless flakes. More directly, they prevent Korea from getting visa-free entry status into the United States. I've played translator for a lawyer cousin in California who doesn't speak Korean at all, helping him to make sense of what some of his Korean-speaking clients have done to stay in America, usually illegally. He's obliged to help them, but I'm not, and I'll tell you it disgusts me the way some people will lie and cheat to get in and stay in the US when there are people following the rules and waiting patiently over here. I know that sounds harsh, but it's my law-and-order side.
Later, william wrote this:
Noda, ahem Nora is probably Atypical Korean-American who enjoys all the benefit that American/Western culture has provided for her and her family in the U.S.,
I would like to point out that it was my parents' hard work that gave me the benefits I enjoyed.
yet is most viscious in ad hominem attack against the Westerners, and never once give them the benefit of doubt.
Never once gave the benefit of the doubt? My posts about these two Canadians are full of giving the benefit of the doubt. The truth is, I don't know if they started the fight or not, just that they are in hot water. I offered very sound advice based on that. In fact, I was one of the few people offering advice.
I will not be politically correct. I will say that with all things being equal, I would still consider Western culture superior than Korean culture. However, with all the contentious posts I’ve read from Nora, I bet she would beg to differ.
Yes, I would differ. Unlike this Westerner (and many of the Koreans he probably despises), I don't feel a need to decide one society is superior to another or not. I can think of many Western things that Koreans ought to emulate, but I can also think of a number of Korean/Asian things that Westerners would do well to emulate.
The funny thing is that Nora herself can’t wait ’til she get out this little hell hole called “Korea” and go back to the good old U.S. of A. Isn’t she pathetic?
Yeah, I'm just so pathetic. Of course, this William person has no idea what he's talking about, basing this on -- if anything -- what I wrote on my blog about being in exile from the neocon-run United States. What I was referring to was that I cannot bring my long-time girlfriend, a Korean national, back to the U.S. with me, even though I would like to go back for work and study. I've achieved most of what I set out to achieve here and would like to move on.
Now I know that a lot of you out there in blogdom may not think too much of same-sex marriage. I know a lot of you might think that so-called "civil unions" will do the trick, but unless we (the USA) are willing to give green card status to the foreign-national partners in civil unions, then they will never be fair. If we were a male-female couple at the same stage of our relationship, we'd be married and maybe on our way to having kids together, but the laws as they now stand prevent that.
Anyway, that is what is holding me back: finding a way for her to come with me to the US so we can be together. It's not because the US is so great light of democracy we aspire to return to. Quite the opposite, in fact. Thanks for asking.
Hey, wait a minute... did you just call Korea a "hell hole"? So you're willingly sticking around in a place you think of as a "hell hole"? What does that say about
you?
Oh, I should also mention that long before this Canadian thing erupted (a whole two weeks earlier, an eternity in blog years), William had gone and bashed me at Marmot's Hole when the Marmot
gave my new blog a plug. His welcome gift:
NOra seems like babbling fool. Conservative, moderate, or liberal Republican? The only thing that these labels indicate is your lack of understanding of the issues.
So, you “believe in low taxes, limited government interference, and strong national security?” Are these mutually inclusive in your thinking? What a naiver girl.
Apparently he has an issue with Republicans. Or Republican lesbians. Or moderate Republicans. Or spelling.
Now back to our story. DS later asked:
Nora-I found this statement of yours interesting “i’m an american, thank you very much. and it is funny that some white americans do refer to it as ‘their’ country (not most, though).”
Do you think it is possible for non-Koreans to become Korean in the same way newcomers to the US or Canada become residents of those countries? Do you consider Robert or Peter (Marmot, Oranckay) Korean residents entitled to the same benefits, franchisement and legal protection as say any US resident who’s spent 8 years or longer in the United States?
That's a fair list of questions (although I don't know why I in particular should be responsible for answering them). In some ways I do think it's possible, but I also think that many Koreans have a long way to go before they start accepting ethnically non-Koreans as Korean citizens. Many people barely accept non-Koreans as Korean residents who belong here.
I don't know Marmot or Oranckay, except throught their blogs, and I know little about about their backgrounds, so I can't answer that. If they are married to Korean women, then they should have F-2 visas that allow them nearly as much freedom as F-4 visas, I think.
I got some criticism for "moonlighting," but part of that same bit of work is consulting with the Ministry of Justice. Our company has suggested a number of immigration policy changes, including a "permanent residence"-type status for people who have legally resided here at least seven years without any problems, getting rid of the requirement that people leave the country to change visas, allowing people to withdraw from their contracts without affecting their visa status in the event of clear wrongdoing on the part of the employer, etc.
In the past, this company had promoted streamlining the visa issuance procedures (which they did, so now it takes one day instead of six weeks abroad), having the government issue re-entry permits at the airport (which they now do), and a few other things along those lines (I don't know all of them).
The
pièce de résistance came from gbnhj, who wrote:
Regarding Nora Park, Nathan writes that ’she’s never claimed that all foreigners are the objects of her anger–only illegal ones with chips on their shoulders’.
Well, I don’t know about ‘all’ foreigners, but her wrath does extend beyond the sphere of illegal residents. First, go to the March archives to “I’d give her the gold for that”, and view her post dated March 6th 4:45pm. For reasons known best to Nora, she chose to write ‘an asian chick who goes down on you in a bar… okay, so she’s a celebrity, but did this really have to be in the news? i mean, aren’t there enough unqualified gaijin/oegugin teachers coming to this part of the world already?’
No mention was previously made of teachers - in the article, in Marmot’s synopsis, or by other posters. When asked about this, by myself and another poster, she did not explain, but rather discussed
other issues.
In all fairness, I did make a leap here, although gbnhj is omitting some stuff. In the comments section, two people suggested that this attractive woman going down on the foreigner guy in the bar was a reason for them to head to Japan. I think that day I had been having a discussion with some people about the various reasons people come here to teach, and the perceived easy availability of women was one of the reasons cited. Okay, so I made a leap from teachers coming here for this reason to unqualified teachers coming here. My bad. But that doesn't mean that it pervades my every thought.
gbnhj then went on:
Next, on the same thread, view her post dated March 6th 8:57pm. If you scroll over her ID, you’ll find that she has a hyperlink:
http://allyourbasearebelongtous/
My browser will not open this site, and I wonder if it exists. Regardless, by this, one can reasonably conclude that US soldiers are another issue with her. Yet, just as that thread had nothing to do with teachers, nor did it have anything to do with US soldiers.
Kushibo already dealt with this and you already apologized for jumping to conclusions, so all the fun has been taken out of it for me, but I do want to point out that if it was so easy for you to assume something like this (that I have a beef of some kind with US military personnel), then perhaps you have been misreading me from the beginning.
I have great respect for our men and women in uniform (especially our women). They are making great sacrifices here in a country where the press makes it seem as if they are unwanted and unappreciated (they are neither).
My only beef with the military is that it keeps to its homophobic practice of kicking out avowed gay and lesbian people, often after they have served honorably and are getting close to retirement when Uncle Sam will have to start paying their well-earned but hefty pensions.
As for Kushibo coming to my aid, I wish you hadn't done that. No offense to gbnhj, who did apologize for jumping to conclusions, but I thought it was hilarious that he interpreted the link that way. But I'm a subtle person, and I would have preferred not outing his mistake, but letting those in the know appreciate it all the more, knowing that it's their little secret.
gbnhj also wrote:
I think that Nora has sometimes expressed some good ideas - I’ve supported some of them previously - but I also think that she has issues with men. Unfortunately for soldiers and English teachers, males predominate in these professions, and so you feel her heat. Nora Park appears to dislike some people - more pointedly, some men - regardless of their legal status in this country, and expresses that dislike regardless of the topic being discussed.
I really think this is way off base. I don't have any particular dislike of men in general. I don't like men who lie to, abuse, take advantage of, or otherwise manipulate women, I don't like men who think they are superior to women, I don't like men who treat women as if they are sex objects, etc. The usual complaints of lots of other women -- lesbian or straight -- but no particular dislike of men in general. And certainly this had no bearing on what I said about the two Canadians.
Later, Gluestick wrote:
Nora \”moonlights\” … when foreigners. (non nora type foreigner.. aka non kyopo) do moonlighting she wants to throw the book at them.
Here the F-4 issue rears its ugly head. For the record, I am doing no more than I would have been able to do before F-4 visas existed. A person can have, say, an E-2 visa and still do
two other jobs legally. And this "moonlighting" I mentioned is actually an extra task (not one of my main tasks) within this company as consulting work, which I'm doing as a favor. If any non-F-4 foreigner worked here, he/she would be able to do this "moonlighting" legally.
Nora has lots and lots of \”foreign friends\”.. i would like to meet a few.. I guess she counts the crackers she sees on TV as her friends,
You mean... Tom Brokaw and Pikachu aren't really my friends?
i doubt normal non-kyopos would deal with her subtle racism for long.
Don't be so sure. I'm actually very subtle with my anti-foreign racism. I'm so subtle, they don't know that I've been poisoning their minds with my pro-kyopo, anti-White sentiment, turning them into the minions in my own personal army of self-loathing Caucasians who bash everything important to their dead, White culture (the only drawback is that they then usually vote Democrat).
perhaps she includes all the people she met growing up. Koreans in America will meet, and have normal friendships with lots of non kyopos.. but when they get back to the motherland.. the kyopos want nothing to do with those damn Americans.
I don't know where you're pulling this from. Bad experience with a kyopo girl?
Nora says she doesnt like \”bad\” kyops… well, the kyopos like Kimbob, as you can read, are circleing the waggon around Nora.
I like circles.
If you read anything from Nora, she just attacks the \”unqualified foreigners\” in another thread assumes that a foreign guy in japan is some \”uqualified english teacher\”. then she goes on an on about how bad foreigner are.
No, just certain types. A very limited type. But of course, if you happen to fit in with that type, maybe there really is something wrong with you and you're tired of people pointing it out. Hey, don't shoot the messenger.
Okay, so I'm not taking my own advice about being contrite. Some of what was said was just too silly to be taken seriously. I guess some people are projecting. Some people are making assumptions about what kind of person I am. Maybe they thought I'm one of these hagwon hags who talk to everyone in a nasally voice as they run the institute with an iron fist.
None of that is me. I don't think Korea is superior, but I don't think the US is superior. I think a lot of foreigners get themselves in trouble in Korea by being arrogant, ignorant, or both, but I also think a lot of the problems stem from the Korean side. I think if people could just step out of themselves for a bit, they would realize where they're going wrong. This includes myself.
Oh, it's too late in the day to be philosophical.